Sender: •••@••.••• (Don Porter) On Sep 14, 1995 01:11:18, 'Cyber Rights <•••@••.•••>' wrote: >Sender: Heidi Howard <•••@••.•••> > >In discussions of universal access, I have rarely heard anyone say that >it would be a bad thing if everyone who wanted to get info from the >internet could do so- the question is therefore, What does universal >access mean, in scope? That is a key question that I also haven't seen much discussion about. And, assuming it can be answered to general satisfaction and agreement, you then have to go on to ask how much providing the agreed upon level of universal net access will cost and who's going to pay for it. If the cost to provide it should become substantial, I can forsee some taxpayers starting to grumble about "net loafers and cheats" the way some of them now do about people on welfare. At some point, there'd probably be calls for some sort of "netfare reform". <g> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: •••@••.••• (Off the edge ) >...(and then we still need to worry about unique id's). This got me thinking. How could we validate one vote per one netizen? And look at all those netizens, some of them are not even 18. In fact, there is a good chance alot of them are not 18. But is this bad? Why don't we lower the voting age on the net? After all, if nobody knows your a dog, nobody knows your a 13 year old holding your own on this mailing list. Matt Conart @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Introduction from moderator: Since the question of electronic voting has generated a lot of discussion, I thought people would enjoy reading the following article that examines several issues. The author, Marilyn Davis, has written a program that permits voting on mailing lists. Andy @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Electronic Voting in Elections A few years ago, electronic voting in elections was considered to be inherently fraught with opportunity for error and fraud. (See "Risks in Computerized Elections" by Peter G. Neumann, Communications of the ACM, Nov. 1990, p. 170.) At that time, the prevailing paradigm was that, to insure a secret ballot, electronic votes must be tallied and not stored. In electronic voting there is no paper and no real ballot so it is impossible to do a definitive recount. In the last few years, Philip Zimmermann's Pretty Good Privacy program, and the government's fiasco with the Clipper Chip have demonstrated that, with encryption, privacy is possible on the net. Now that we can ensure our privacy, we can each keep an electronic ballot online. No one can see or modify this electronic ballot except the voter. A "vote-server" computer program passes over all the stored electronic ballots to calculate the tallies and report statistics. Because the ballots are kept, the voters can check their ballots and be sure they haven't been tampered with. And because the ballots are kept, there is at least as much opportunity for a recount as there is with hard copy. It is of utmost importance and germane to the privacy issue that our ballets are NOT kept on a few central computers but are distributed and kept close to the voters' homes. The best architecture is to have one ballot-keeping machine for every few hundred voters, the number to be determined from experience. Each ballot-keeping machine, by virtue of the same vote-server that stores the ballots and calculates the local statistics, shares those statistics (but NOT the votes) with the other ballot-keeping machines to produce regional and global tallies. Fortunately, this distributed architecture is already built. The strategy of embedding a vote-server into existing BBSs and newsreaders and shipping the statistics over existing email routes, cheap as it is, produces the perfect architecture. To ensure one ballot per person, at least to the extent that that is ensured now, each voter wishing to vote electronically asks the Registrar of Voters for a nameless voucher. This act removes the voter from traditional polling. The voter gives the voucher to the system administrator, or "sysop", of a ballot-keeping BBS. The sysop gives the voter an anonymous login with permission to participate in the official election. The sysop sends the vouchers to a central authority to receive his online community's "weight" in the statistics pool. Each community's weight, i.e. the number of people in the community, is posted publicly online. Also, each community's average vote on each item in each election is posted so that anyone can calculate statistics beyond the local level. At the local level, the online community can devise any and many schemes to check that their publicized weight and average votes are correct. Keeping our votes close to home this way makes it possible for us each to personally know the person who is responsible for maintaining our ballot-keeping machine and software. This provides an additional layer of security and a new opportunity for community involvement. In an online vote, the polls can be open for days or weeks before election day. People can vote at their leisure and change their votes when a new scandal is exposed. The server won't divulge the tally until the vote closes. Continual voting like this stimulates discussion and eliminates the electronic log-jam that results from single-event electronic polling. The Vote-Server There is only one vote-server: "The Clerk". It is the vote-server behind the scenes of "eVote" which is software for discussion-driven direct democracy. It's cheap, available now, and perfect for the job. Handling "private" "hidden" votes, the type needed for elections, is a tiny subset of The Clerk's capabilities. Currently there is no encryption in The Clerk. Encryption is easy to add, as are all things, because The Clerk is object-oriented. The Clerk's architecture provides yet an extra layer of security in that The Clerk is compiled before the template for the ballots is made, and probably before it is known who the candidates will be. The ballot template is made by The Clerk when an online user specifies what we are voting on. The same Clerk builds the ballot template, packs the votes into the ballots, and calculates the statistics. If the list of items for vote changes, the ballot template changes on the fly. This means that today the vote for Charlie is stored in byte 8 of the ballot but tomorrow it may be in byte 6. This is a nightmare for a would-be saboteur. A saboteur with the source code could theoretically follow his candidate's storage byte but the saboteur's code would be an order of magnitude more complicated than The Clerk's code and executing it would slow down the system, probably noticeably. The Clerk is complicated already because it continually compacts and reorders the data to keep efficient. All this means that as long as there's no encryption in The Clerk, there is a slightly plausible excuse for keeping the source code a secret. But once we add encryption, that changes. When there is encryption, and probably even before, I will lobby and vote to release The Clerk's source code but it is beyond my authority to actually release it. The first principle of democratic tool development, the principle to which holy allegiance is my yoke, is, "Never make a decision that can instead be made democratically." When we are practiced at online decision-making, all decisions regarding the development of the system, the spending of profits, and the enforcing of The Clerk's patent will be made democratically online, including the decision to release the source code. Discussion-Driven Direct Democracy Discussion-driven direct democracy is provided by embedding eVote into the software that runs the discussions on the BBSs and newsreaders. Each time new text is contributed, the contributor of the text is asked by eVote, "Do you want to take a vote on this item?" If the answer is "yes", the contributor specifies the type of vote and eVote handles the details. The composing of the vote question, the polling of the community, and the reporting of statistics all take place online. This is profoundly more democratic than any process previously called "democracy". It's more democratic than a traditional town hall meeting. Like a town hall meeting everyone has equal opportunity to bring up new issues, discuss and vote. But unlike town hall meetings, online democracy is limited to text discussions. We have nothing to judge but the idea and the presentation: no color, no posture, no accent, no style, no charisma. Because eVote is backed by The Clerk, a database server, we can each query the system to see how each other voter voted, just like a show of hands in a live meeting. Non-anonymity is essential for consensus development. Consensus evolves when the dissenters in a show of hands are required to state their reasons for dissension, then there's another show of hands, then more discussion, then another show of hands, etc. Online democracy facilitates continual polling and continual discussion. It is the perfect vehicle for consensus development. The Future This world is at the turning point. Now is the time to discover the mechanism that enables the meek to inherit control of the earth. The answer is upon us and inevitable: discussion-driven direct electronic democracy. This new medium is the tool for a new civic organization where every person has equal political power. When equal partnership is the societal model, equal partnership will become the social model and we will like each other and get along a lot better. The first poll (Macworld, Oct. 1994) to ask us what we want from the Infobahn found that the most desired facility is online voting in elections. Even though the voting application has received no media attention, fully 50% of those polled declared themselves to have high or extremely high interest in online elections; 67% have at least moderate interest. Because we are a "democracy", building an electronic election facility is inevitable. Now that a fancy vote-server and a distributed architecture exist, it is as cheap and more sensible to implement a facility for discussion-driven direct democracy AND electronic elections than to implement a facility for electronic elections alone. It's a miracle that we will have built our perfect direct democracy facility by working in unconscious cooperation. It is God's work, God's miracle. As we learn to cooperate consciously online, we'll work our own miracles. Marilyn Davis Frontier Systems --------------------- eVote - online voting software 3790 El Camino Real, #147 Palo Alto, CA 94306 USA Marilyn Davis, Ph.D. (415) 493-3631 --- •••@••.••• --- Principal Software Engineer Please try the eVote Demo: connect to (415) 49-eVote (that's 493-8683), from 10am to 5pm PST, weekdays, and log in as "eVote". ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by -- Andrew Oram -- •••@••.••• -- Cambridge, Mass., USA Moderator: CYBER-RIGHTS (CPSR) World Wide Web: http://jasper.ora.com/andyo/cyber-rights/cyber-rights.html http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~hwh6k/public/cyber-rights.html FTP: ftp://jasper.ora.com/pub/andyo/cyber-rights You are encouraged to forward and cross-post messages and online materials, pursuant to any contained copyright & redistribution restrictions. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~