Sender: "Steve Eppley" <•••@••.•••> Connie Page wrote: >They feel that rather than have to prove to the court that the >evidence on disk or tape is what was on the hard drive of a particular >computer, they will simply present the entire computer system. This way >there are fewer problems in proof. This evidence isn't proof. Any cop could load a few incriminating files onto the confiscated computer. The cops know when they have enough evidence to convict someone--when they lack evidence, the temptation to "create" some is hard for some cops to resist. Unless they make authenticatable copies of what was on the computer at the time it was seized, there will be no proof. So this is a second reason to update the rules of evidence. ---Steve (Steve Eppley •••@••.•••) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: •••@••.••• In a message dated 95-09-08 17:37:45 EDT, you write: > Is confiscation necessary? If not, is there some way we can > intervene to change the trend? Perhaps we can help draft some > guidelines for what prosecutors and police should do when someone > is suspected of a computer-related crime. The problems involved in confiscation versus backing up can be summarized by the fact that most police and/or courts do not want the equipment used to continue operation while they determine if the equipment, in fact, *was* used to violate copywrites, pandering obscenity, or etc. It is easier to take the whole bunch than to leave the equipment and have the questions remain. The issue we should be concentrating on is the return of the confiscated equipment after the owner has been proven not guilty. I am sure we all can think of at least one incedent in which a computer system has been confiscated, and the owner has then been proven not guilty yet not having his equipment returned. In most cases I can think of, the courts relase the equipment to the auctions, and the owner is left high and dry, unless he can muster the finacial end and buy the things back either at the auctions or simply replacing them at thier local computer retailer.(Like Bob Emerson and the Cincinnati Computer Connection BBS here in my home town, Censor-nati). Hope this gives some help. R Smith Cincinnati "The urge to change that which by nature is good, only increases the sum total of human unhappiness." -A.W. Hummel ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by -- Andrew Oram -- •••@••.••• -- Cambridge, Mass., USA Moderator: CYBER-RIGHTS (CPSR) World Wide Web: http://jasper.ora.com/andyo/cyber-rights/cyber-rights.html http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~hwh6k/public/cyber-rights.html FTP: ftp://jasper.ora.com/pub/andyo/cyber-rights You are encouraged to forward and cross-post messages and online materials, pursuant to any contained copyright & redistribution restrictions. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~