Sender: •••@••.••• (Marilyn Davis) > > Sender: Arun Mehta <•••@••.•••> > > I'm sure all of us on the list would love to have consensus: we just > don't want it pushed down our throats. Marilyn, the point has been made Thank you Arun. I see what you're saying. I agree. It's not fair to assume consensus unless we came together with that in mind. Thank you. I get it. It's like forcing you to pray when you came for a ball game. Richard, DicedPupys and others? Are you ok with giving up the consensus idea for now, or finding some modification? I hope you folks feel, as I do, that we have come to some important understandings in this process. We are birds, flocking. We'll fly soon. * Marilyn * * * Marilyn Davis, Ph.D.-------------- * ---- eVote - online voting software | * To participate in the beta 3790 El Camino Real, #147 * * write •••@••.••• Palo Alto, CA 94306 USA * * (415) 493-3631 ------------- * * -------- •••@••.••• ------- * @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: "Gordon A. Lew" <•••@••.•••> I've been following (lurking) this thread for some time, and I haven't seen anything approaching a "consensus" on this list as regards Marilyn's position. I've seen about 4 or 5 rather vocal supporters and a somewhat larger number taking issue with her stand (as proposed). I might suggest an earnest solicitation of the yeas and nays (along with the "who gives a damn") to see just what the temperature of the political water is. With 500(?) members on the list, certainly we can't consider even 10 yeas as a consensus, even if there are no nays. (A simple poll would suffice - we don't need elaborate electronic voting!) I'd second Andy's suggestion that those that feel so strongly about this that they feel they absolutely must issue a public statement (which I feel will totally underwhelm the press), then by all means form some group with an appropriate name, and have at it. ---------------- Gordon A. Lew •••@••.••• @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: •••@••.••• Subject: go away, craig hi. to craig : quit it NOW! i have heard enough of your high-handed bitching about every fucking thing marilyn suggests. i actually want to get somewhere on this list, and in our discussions thereof, but it appears that you instead feel that any idea that someone may have is a direct threat to you. marilyn may have been completely off when she stated intent to expel someone, but this is not a threat, simply because it is not possible to do so without direct access to the mailing process. what are you so FUCKING afraid of that you wish to expel someone for wanting to discuss opinions? if you have such a large problem with conversing in an organized manner, and from the discussion then stating our thoughts to the entire nation, then you are not wanted. if you have something to say which does not involve a haughty round of personal attacks, then you are welcome to say it. if all you are capable of is demostrating your weakness of character and lack of any intelligent thoughts of your own, then GET OUT! although i cannot remove you myself, i would ask that andy restrict mailings to letters which do not involve personal threats and bald attempts to halt our discussion, whomever the jackass may be. your only possible value that can be seen from where i am is to hire yourself out to someone wishing to interupt free conversation of ideas they FEAR! unless you did not read my proposal, i fail to see what scares you so. i will clearly state that however many out of however many agreed that the fcc has no jurisdiction over private calls, no matter the size of the network, and so on. those who disagree will not be masquaraded in a press release, nor will those who, such as you, post only facist attempts to suffocate that on which we agree. and i AM going to get opinions out! bye dicedpupys :x ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Andrew Oram - •••@••.••• - Moderator: CYBER-RIGHTS (CPSR) Cyber-Rights: http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/ ftp://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/ CyberJournal: (WWW or FTP) --> ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore Materials may be reposted in their _entirety_ for non-commercial use. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~