I am going to respond to Marilyn with some personal comments, not speaking as moderator. Between Marilyn and Richard we have a really big challenge. There are so many issues (technical, financial, political) caught up in the question of how to charge for Internet use that I cringe from even the attempt to list them here. But with all of your help, I think we can--and should--discuss these issues. I can say right now that usage-based charging (.0001 penny per byte or whatever) goes against a very deeply-held tradition on the Internet. Most people are very attached to the current bandwidth-based pricing. CPSR has come out in the past as being committed to bandwidth-based pricing. We have to be careful if we propose something else. We have to look at the many implications. Of course, lots of people on this list dial up and are charged for access time, so the tradition is eroding. And a lot of trustworthy observers say that bandwidth-based pricing is an anachronism, since so many people download huge graphics and binaries, with audio and video emerging to overload the network. (I think Richard would point out here that the telecom companies can lay fiber and make bandwidth problems an anachronism.) This may be the historical moment to propose a new system. I haven't got the slightest idea how we'll push for the implementation of a new system. If we can get the heads of all the Baby Bells and cable TV companies on this list, we have a fighting chance. But it's always good to know what you want, and state it clearly. Finally, I don't believe we'll reach consensus on this list. There are too many variables in the issue, and too many points of view. But nothing prevents different people from writing different position papers. Let's do it! Andy @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Sender: •••@••.••• (Allen L Marshall) Bart Preecs wrote: >I suggest * FAXing* the press release to various news outlets, and very >definitely have human beings standing by ready to drop everything they're >doing to explain to reporters completely untrained in the technology or >economics of the Internet why we oppose ISP charges. At the risk of sounding like a compleat neo-Luddite, perhaps snail mailing is a better way to do it. I have to admit that I'm partial to email. I would rather deal with a keyboard and 7-bit ASCII than speak on the phone. I do have to much faith in email. I'll even write letters to magazines demanding they get an email address (provided it's not on CI$). I'm not sure FAX is the right way to go when sending a press release/official statement. Quite a few politicians are doing it these days, but I'd prefer to see either express-mailed copies land on an editor's desk rather than wait for the mail clerk to trudge on up to the office with a ream of faxes all saying the same thing. We need a representative. If someone has not already done so, is a hard copy press release going to be sent to major publications decrying the "modem tax"? <mailto:•••@••.•••> <http://www.netaxs.com/people/cratagus/homepage.html> <snailto:Allen Marshall, PO Box 14, Beverly, NJ 08010 USA> ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Andrew Oram - •••@••.••• - Moderator: CYBER-RIGHTS (CPSR) Cyber-Rights: http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/ ftp://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/ CyberJournal: (WWW or FTP) --> ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore Materials may be reposted in their _entirety_ for non-commercial use. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~