@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 Sender: Joel Rosenberg <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: Hate and the Net (fwd) [was: IP: Stokey Il yet again] At Craig A. Johnson wrote: >Jewish Group Seeks Internet Restraints ~--<snip of quoted material>--~ Well, actually it probably ought to be entitled "Jewish Group Seeks to Encourage Internet Service Provider Self-Restraint". But that would probably be too long. >The letter from the >Simon Wiesenthal Center, a 425,000-member organization based in Los >Angeles, is the latest in a growing effort by legislators and private >interest groups to censor offensive material on the global data >network, which now connects millions of computer users worldwide. The term censor, it seems to me, isn't appropriate. ISPs, like anybody else, do have the right to discriminate, except against protected classes. Nazis and Klanners aren't protected classes. If ISPs discriminated against the hate groups to the extent that getting net access became either impossible or nearly so, that would be censorship; if it merely becomes a bit more difficult for the hate groups to gain access, it isn't. The end result, at most, would be that hate groups would have to go to some additional trouble in order to have net access. That's hardly censorship, and wouldn't exactly be the end of the world as we know it. >"Internet providers have a First Amendment right and a moral >obligation not to provide these groups with a platform for their >destructive propa-ganda, '' Rabbi Abraham Cooper, the center's >associate dean, wrote in the letter that was sent to Internet service >providers. ~--<snip of quoted material>--~ Again, it's important to note what Rabbi Cooper is and isn't saying. He's urging individuals to express their own First Amendment right to not be involved in giving hate groups a platform; he isn't saying that the government should censor them. Sounds fair to me. (Frankly, I think it's a waste of Rabbi Cooper's time, but that's certainly his call, and not yours or mine.) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Editor: I'd call this a classic split-the-liberals scenario. It reminds me of the time the neo-nazis wanted to march through a town with a large Jewish-American population. That caused a genuine crisis of conscience for liberals and especially for Jewish liberals -- whether to give first-place to human decency (and the memory of Holocaust victims), or to give first-place to the Bill of Rights. I felt at the time that situation was too-good-to-be-true for those forces desiring to undermine the Right to Assemble. Later we learned the extent to which the FBI had infiltrated neo-nazi groups. Perhaps the evidence is only circumstantial, but the FBI had both the opportunity and the motivation to encourage or initiate that particular style of activism to further their own repressive objectives. A recent article in Covert Action Quarterly revealed the extent to which the FBI/Army Intelligence supports other right-wing groups, including providing unused Army bases for use in Militia training. (Ha Ha to those who say the Militia isn't heavily infiltrated, and the Oklahoma bombing was a surprise.) Maybe it's just coincidence, or maybe it's "only" sincere nazis spreading their hate, but in responding to the Wiesenthal statement, we should be aware we're being faced with a soul-splitting dilemma that couldn't have been better designed to undermine our freedoms -- one way we facilitate hate-mongering, the other way we give support to censorship (with all respect to Joel's distinction between government and private censorship). For myself, I wouldn't endorse the Wiesenthal statement, nor would I speak against it, as stated -- there's sense to both sides and splitting ourselves into warring camps over it wouldn't serve our interests. How do other people deal with these kind of dilemmas? Cheers, -rkm @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Richard K. Moore (•••@••.•••) Wexford, Ireland Cyber-Rights: http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/ CyberLib: http://www.internet-eireann.ie/cyberlib Materials may be reposted in their entirety for non-commercial use. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~