Sender: •••@••.••• (Glen Raphael) A few recent posts by Paul Rozenberg and by Richard Moore were based on a view of "the robber barons" which I take issue with. Richard wants internet regulation in order to "protect competition". I feel such regulation will inevitably restrict competition more than it protects it. Our disagreement over method is largely based on our differing views of history. The following quote is from the _Fortune Encyclopedia of Economics_, 1993 edition, the entry on Antitrust by economist Fred McChesney. Page 385-389. For copyright reasons I'll just give a small part to summarize; if you want more details look up this article and the sources it lists (which are mostly from _Journal of Law and Economics_ and other peer-reviewed journals). "...Economists did not lobby for the antitrust statutes, or even support them. Rather, their passage is generally ascribed to the influence of populist "muckrakers" such as Ida Tarbell, who frequently decried the supposed ability of corporate giants ("the trusts") to increase prices and exploit customers by reducing production. One reason that most economists were indifferent to the law was their belief that any higher prices achieved by the supposed anti-competitive acts were more than outweighed by the price-reducing effects of greater operating efficiency and lower costs. Interestingly, Tarbell herself conceded that the trusts migh be more efficient producers, as did "trustbuster" Teddy Roosevelt. "Only recently have economists looked at the empirical evidence (what has happened in the real world) to see whether the antitrust laws were needed. The popular view that cartels and monopolies were rampant at the turn of the century now seems incorrect to most economists. Thomas DiLorenzo has shown that the trusts against which the Sherman Act supposedly was directed were, in fact, expanding output many times faster than overall production was increasing nationwide; likewise, the trusts' prices were falling faster than those of all enterprises nationally. In other words, the trusts were doing exactly the opposite of what economic theory says a monopoly or cartel must do to reap monopoly profits." [..skipping several pages...] "...With the hindsight of better economic understanding, economists now realize that one undeniable effect of antitrust has been to penalize numerous economically benign practices. Horizontal and especially vertical agreements that are clearly useful, particularly in reducing transaction costs, have effectively been banned. A leading example is the continued per se illegality of resale price maintenance..." •••@••.••• wrote: >>(3) government regulation is likely to improve on the market with respect >>to (1) and (2). > >Of course, (3) depends on government agenciers being free from the influence >of the regulated coporations -- something that's NEVER happened in recorded >history. On this we agree! "Regulatory capture" is a big part of the reason that -- in actual practice -- regulatory agencies and antitrust laws tend to *reduce* competition. The biggest players can wield these laws like a club to bash everybody else. (For example, the majority of antitrust cases are brought to hinder, not help, competition.) Hang on, I feel another relevant quote coming on: "The recent era of antitrust reassessment has resulted in general agreement among economists that the most successful instances of cartelization and monopoly pricing have involved companies that enjoy the protection of GOVERNMENT REGULATION OF PRICES and government control of entry by new competition." [emphasis added] This is why I don't want the FCC regulating ISPs, because it would inevitably do so in such a way as to favor the big established players. Private, free-market regulation favors the little guys; government regulation favors big guys like AT&T that can't sell a decent product but know how to work the system. >Sorry, dude, but strategic underselling (i.e. "dumping") >is one of the traditional means for establishing monopolies. Rockefeller was NOT dumping. He was selling cheaply, but not below cost. (by anybody's estimate.) Actually quite a lot of "dumping" sanctions are brought against companies that are not selling below their cost. The fact that somebody else can make a profit selling below YOUR cost to produce usually means you're in the wrong business. But it happens all the time. Glen Raphael •••@••.••• -- Glen Raphael, •••@••.••• NewtPaint - the Newton paint program! President, Stanford/Palo Alto Macintosh User's Group (SMUG) <A HREF="http://www.batnet.com/liberty/">Glen's World</A><BR> ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Andrew Oram - •••@••.••• - Moderator: CYBER-RIGHTS (CPSR) Cyber-Rights: http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/ ftp://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/ CyberJournal: (WWW or FTP) --> ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore Materials may be reposted in their _entirety_ for non-commercial use. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~